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Reintroduction of Samantha and Nellie[]

Until there is an official press release from American Girl regarding any reintroductions of Samantha and Nellie, it's only rumor. Please don't edit the page to say they're coming back. --Nethilia 02:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, no one knows for sure if Samantha and Nellie will be coming back. AG Reader 23:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Repetive Information[]

Hello! There are two sentences (in two different paragraphs) that say almost the exact same thing.

Sentence 1, Paragraph 3: Samantha was five years old when her parents died in a boating accident.

Sentence 2, Paragraph 2: She is very interested in her parents and their lives, as they died in a boating accident when she was five years old and is compared in looks to her mother.


Both mention that her parents died when she was in boating accident when she was just five years old. I'm not sure how to re-word it so it doesn't repeat itself. All I can think of is for the second sentence to say: She is very interested in parents and their lives, and is often compared in looks with her mother.


Any suggestions? O.oa (StrawberryFlower 04:50, March 20, 2010 (UTC))

I think that you could just get rid of the first line and leave the second one in. --Puffy333 10:31, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Last Name Weirdness[]

I was looking... Someone has changed it so that Samantha's last name is Parker, along with her parents' last names. What's with that?

~~AnAGLover~~

Obvious vandalism, nuff said. And btw, sign your talk page messages with four tildes, i.e. this: ~~~~ --Blakegripling ph (talk) 23:20, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I guessed that. I would have changed it, but there were so many, it would have taken me all day. Also, like this?

~~AnAGLover~~

Samantha, the Edwardian doll?[]

I'm sorry this posted twice. I don't know what happened. I think it's my end. I apologize.

I'm just wondering why these additions were made and what is the basis for the information.

I've been a historian for years. I recognize that many people confuse American Victorianism for the actual British Victorian period, but they are mutually exclusive. The only thing adopted from England during the American Victorian period was the name and some mannerisms. Many other adoptions were mostly French. The American Victorian period was the name given to represent Americans' fascination with foreign lands, not necessarily to honor the Queen in England. The British Victorian period had nothing to do with the wealthy. Everyone in England, rich or poor, was under Victoria's rule. The American Victorian period was a distinct mark of "old money" individuals. The very big difference is when the two periods ended. Since British Victorianism was influenced directly by the ruler, the Victorian period in England ended when Edward became the King. America never had an Edwardian period and it's quite amusing to see. Even though Queen Victoria died in 1901, American Victorianism, however, officially died when the Great War began, as foreign goods were hard to obtain. American "elites" still continued to buy goods from France, Japan, and England up until WWI. The Great War forced the end of Victorianism in America. "Old Money" individuals wanted to maintain their status as elites who inherited money. They loved having rare, exotic goods from foreign lands to show off to the middle class. They used foreign goods to display their wealth and power. That was changing in Progressive America.

King Edward was never a part of any trends in America. Therefore, we don't consider his "rule" a part of American history. By the time his rule really picked up off the ground, Americans wanted to find an identity of their own. Immigrants were changing the nation. That's like calling Britain's 1860's the "Civil War Era" when the American Civil War hardly influenced them. Some foreigners consider Kit a WWII era girl because many lands were invaded in the 1930's. Many foreigners consider the WWII era to be the 1930's. Hitler came to power in 1933. However, according to American History, and not World History, we go by the time that most influenced America.

I'm also curious as to why it was stated that Samantha didn't live a "proper Victorian life", and if she did, "Nellie wouldn't have been adopted into her family". From my understanding of the series, she was raised by her Grandmother who did live quite the Victorian lifestyle. Grandmary never adopted Nellie, and her solution to help Nellie was to find her work. In Samantha Learns a Lesson, Grandmary didn't even see Nellie as a suitable playmate for Samantha. She didn't even see Samantha and Nellie as friends. Her son obviously deviated from Victorian life. There were some wealthy individuals who didn't live a Victorian lifestyle. They were called the "new money" individuals. Uncle Gard is obviously a "new-money". He didn't take on a family business from his father. His wealth is self-made as a lawyer. Uncle Gard was the one who adopted Nellie and her sisters, and if we read Happy Birthday Samantha, he and his family obviously all deviated from the American Victorian lifestyle. Samantha was more like her uncle and carried a rebellious progressive attitude. But that doesn't mean she wasn't RAISED in a proper Victorian lifestyle. She only began to live with her Uncle in Changes for Samantha. But the majority of the series is spent living a Victorian lifestyle with her Grandmother, a lifestyle that was dying, but still thriving. We do see Grandmary switching sides, but it never showed that she approved of Nellie being adopted into a rich family. Unless of course, you also consider the movie, where Grandmary was portrayed differently. I think 1904 was the perfect time to represent the sudden transition from American Victorianism to Progressive American values.

I'm just curious as to why these additions are made, and I don't see any sources that link America to the Edwardian period in England.

--Soratothamax (talk) 09:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)Soratothamax

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